OTHER RECENT PEACE TALK NEWS
http://israndjer.blogspot.ca/2013/07/kerry-announces-resumption-of-peace.html
ZECHARIAH 12:1-5 King James Bible
1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.
5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.
JOEL 3:2
2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.(WW3 STARTS BECAUSE JERUSALEM IS DIVIDED AND ISRAELIS UPROOTED FROM THEIR GOD GIVIN LAND)
ZECHARIAH 14:12-13
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.(1/2-3 BILLION DIE IN WW3)
PSALMS 137:5-6
5 If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.
6 If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.
DANIEL 9:26-27
26 And after threescore and two weeks(62X7=434 YEARS+7X7=49 YEARS=TOTAL OF 69 WEEKS OR 483 YRS) shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;(ROMAN LEADERS DESTROYED THE 2ND TEMPLE) and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.(THERE HAS TO BE 70 WEEKS OR 490 YRS TO FUFILL THE VISION AND PROPHECY OF DAN 9:24).(THE NEXT VERSE IS THAT 7 YR WEEK OR (70TH FINAL WEEK).
27 And he ( THE ROMAN,EU PRESIDENT) shall confirm the covenant (PEACE TREATY) with many for one week:(1X7=7 YEARS) and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,(3 1/2 yrs in TEMPLE SACRIFICES STOPPED) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
JEREMIAH 6:14
14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
JEREMIAH 8:11
11 For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
1 THESSALONIANS 5:3
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
ISAIAH 33:8
8 The highways lie waste, the wayfaring man ceaseth: he hath broken the covenant,(7 YR TREATY) he hath despised the cities, he regardeth no man.(THE WORLD LEADER-WAR MONGER CALLS HIMSELF GOD)
ISAIAH 28:14-19 (THIS IS THE 7 YR TREATY COVENANT OF DANIEL 9:27)
14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
By Gil Ronen-First Publish: 7/22/2013, 3:53 PM-israelnationalnews
As “peace talks” between Israel and the
Palestinian Authority are set to restart, MK Moshe Feiglin (Likud) says
it is the proponents of the supposedly pragmatic “two state solution”
who are the truly delusional ones.
“The very recognition that there is a 'Palestinian nation' that has rights in our country's heartland is a tragedy in and of itself,” Feiglin wrote Sunday. “When you recognize that a different nation has rights in your land, you lose your own legitimacy. When you surrender your sovereignty on the Temple Mount to the Muslim wakf and then you do not build at all in Jerusalem, which is what is happening now, you lose your legitimacy in Sderot, Tel Aviv and Holon. In universities in London and Paris they are already explaining that there is no legitimacy for a Jewish state anywhere in the world. That is the result of these rounds of talks.
"Rivers of blood"
Feiglin is well-known for his in-your-face brand of politics.On Wednesday, in response to a speech by a left-wing MK, he declared,"I am one of those delusional types you spoke about, I am one of those dreamers, those delusional types, those dangerous extremists.”Feiglin pointed to the Menorah symbol on the Knesset podium and asked: “Do you see this Menorah here? This is the Menorah of the Temple here. See? I do not forget it. It is the reason for my being here. I want it to be rekindled, on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. I am a dangerous delusional dreamer type."I know of another delusional dreamer,” he said, and pointed to the portrait of Theodor Herzl, which also hangs in the plenum. “Do you know what he wrote in his book, Altneuland? That he wants a Temple. What will you say about that? Attempts to establish a two-state solution have exploded in the face of their initiators, Feiglin said, resulting in rivers of blood."The Arab nation has received 22 states,” he went on. “They are not enough for it. Now they are falling apart and you want to establish another state for it?”"This is our Land because G-d gave it to us,” he said. While it is true that Jews – descendants of Isaac, and Arabs – who are descendants of Ishmael, share a common father in Abraham, Feiglin explained, “He bequethed the Land of Israel to the lady of the house, and gave the son of the maidservant gifts and sent him to Saudi Arabia."This is our land, and it is all mine,” he stated. “I am not willing to give up a single grain of sand.”Feiglin said that while the leftists forced Jews out of their homes in exchange for compensation – he is offering Arabs incentives to leave the land without forcing them to do so. The ones who remain, he said, can receive all the rights accorded to residents, without receiving citizenship.
http://youtu.be/IOg5_Sqke94
President Shimon Peres commended the
European Union’s partial ban of the Hizbullah terrorist organization
Monday as a “necessary, wise step” aimed, he said, at “preventing the
spread of terrorism” in every corner of the earth.
The EU’s 28 member nations decided in a majority vote that was not unanimous to list the organization as a terrorist entity – a compromise on strong requests from Israel and the U.S. to list the entire group as a terror organization. Peres said in his response to the vote, “Your decision sends a determined message to terrorist organizations and countries that sponsor terrorist groups in their territory.”The president sent a special communique to the member governments and institutions who had attended the meeting in which the vote was cast, expressing Israel’s gratitude for the EU’s support in the fight against terrorism.“This is a necessary, wise step that is aimed at preventing the spread of terrorism that is not just limited to the Middle East, but does damage in every corner of the earth, including European soil,” he wrote. “Unfortunately, we saw this last year after the murderous attack in Burgas, Bulgaria, as well as attempts to harm innocent European civilians in large cities throughout the continent.”Also praising the vote was Justice Minister Tzipi Livni. "Finally, after years of deliberations, the claim that Hizbullah is a legitimate political party has rightfully failed. Now it is clear to the entire world that Hizbullah is a terrorist organization", she said in a statement.Livni's initial statement did not mention the fact that the EU refused to include Hizbullah's political arm in the list of terror groups.Former Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, however, was less than happy with that fact. "As is their habit,” he said, “the Europeans contented themselves with going only half way and reaching a partial and unsatisfactory decision. The military and political arms of Hizbullah are two sides of the same coin,” he explained. Both arms are headed by the same person – Hassan Nasrallah. Portraying the organization as having a “moderate” wing and a “militant” wing is like saying that a cannibal can also be a vegetarian, he added.Arab nations in the Gulf were ahead of the Europe in discussions to label Hizbullah as a terrorist entity, and the nation of Bahrain has already done so, having blacklisted the terrorist group in April.The Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), comprised of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and Oman announced last week that they were willing to blacklist Hizbullah as well, but were examining “correct procedures” on how to officially carry out the measure in order to prevent discrimination against Lebanese citizens who are not members of the terrorist group.Hizbullah operatives have been caught in illegal activities as far away as South America, where the terrorist organization is involved in illicit drug operations to raise money for the guerrilla warfare it wages against Israel.The group has also set up terrorist training bases in the Sinai Peninsula, and has been involved in training operatives in Gaza.
The chairman of the Bayit Yehudi party,
Economics Minister Naftali Bennett, is expected to announce Monday in
the faction's weekly session that the party will demand that a
Referendum Law be passed, as a precondition for supporting the national
budget in the Knesset. The law will mean that any political agreement
which involves the surrender of Israeli territory will need to be
brought before the electorate in a direct referendum.
“No more 'Mitsubishi agreements,'” Bennett proclaimed on his Facebook page. He was referring to the Oslo Accords, which were made possible by the promise of a political position involving a Mitsubishi official car to a corrupt MK in exchange for his support."Let's not be naïve,” he explained. “An agreement, if one is bought, will be a historical crossroad in the history of Zionism, no less. It will have implications for what our security and that of our grandchildren will look like; for the nation's unity on the face of the difficult challenges that will follow such an agreement; for the ideological and value-related DNA of the state of Israel. And above all – our Land was given to us thousands of years ago. It is unacceptable that a political maneuver at a specific point in time will decide its fate.“Only the nation can decide something like this.”
Prime Minister pledges referendum
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu vowed Sunday to bring any agreement he reaches with the Palestinian Authority (PA) to a national referendum.“I believe this is necessary,” he said. “I do not think decision like these can be reached – if an agreement is, indeed, reached – through some kind of coalition-related maneuver. Rather, this thing needs to be brought to the nation, for it to decide.”A Referendum Law mandating plebiscite approval for any ceding of national land already passed in the previous Knesset, but it does not currently apply to Judea and Samaria, which were never officially annexed after their liberation in 1967, and therefore fall outside the current law's parameters.Likud MKs Ofir Akunis and Yariv Levin initiated further legislation turning that law into one of Israel's few "Basic Laws", and Netanyahu would like to see the process of legislation sped up so that the new law can pass before the Knesset goes into its summer recess, next week.However, opposition to the law has been leveled from all sides of the political spectrum.
Justice Minister Tzipi Livni of the left-wing Hatnua party, has said that she will oppose the bill, even though it appears in the coalition agreements she signed. Livni said in April that the Referedum Law is coated by “a veneer of cuteness and hypocrisy”.Livni noted that while the Referendum Law allows the public to disqualify a Knesset decision to cede land, it does not do the opposite. That is, it does not enable the public to say that it supports ceding land, if the Knesset votes against such a deal. She insisted that the only referendum applicable for decisions such as these is the national election.One the other side of the political spectrum, Avigdor Lieberman, who heads the right-wing Yisrael Beytenu faction that merged with Likud in the latest elections, also opposes the referendum."Referendums are a way for decision makers to avoid responsibility,” he explained in April. Referendums should either be held for all major decisions, as in Switzerland, he said, or they should not be used at all.Labor head MK Shelly Yachimovich also opposes the Referendum Law, insisting that “There is not an ounce of democracy behind the idea of holding a selective referendum,” she explained, “only an attempt to torpedo in advance” any peace deal.
MK Zehava Galon of the far-left Meretz party, called the idea of a plebiscite to approve the ceding of land "cowardly," and added that “if a government has the authority to make war, it can certainly approve a peace agreement and make peace.” The Israeli public, and especially the nationalist sector, view government-negotiated peace deals with great suspicion, ever since the Oslo Accords were approved in the Knesset in 1993 by a razor-thin majority, as a result of corrupt political wheeling and dealing by the Labor government that involved the "Mitsubishi" scandal mentioned by Bennett, among other political bribes to certain Knesset members.When Ariel Sharon came up with the Disengagement Plan in 2003, he brought it to an internal Likud referendum – and then split Likud and formed a new party when the idea was voted down in that referendum.At a meeting of the Bayit Yehudi faction Monday, Bennett said that the while negotiations were inevitable, major withdrawals from Judea and Samaria were not. “We cannot escape the likelihood that negotiations will take place, but we will be following them closely,” he said. “We oppose the establishment of a terrorist state that will threaten Israel, and we oppose the handing over of Israeli land to our enemies, period.”Earlier, Bennett expressed strong support for the idea of a referendum on any proposed deal with the PA, in the face of opposition to the idea by various MKs, notable Tzippy Livni and Avigdor Lieberman. Addressing them, Bennett said that a referendum was the only way to avoid a dangerous split in the nation between supporters and opponents of a deal. “You who oppose the referendum say that 'the people' are with you,” and would agree to withdrawals. “If so, I ask you – what are you afraid of? Why not have a referendum?”
http://israndjer.blogspot.ca/2013/07/kerry-announces-resumption-of-peace.html
ZECHARIAH 12:1-5 King James Bible
1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.
5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.
JOEL 3:2
2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.(WW3 STARTS BECAUSE JERUSALEM IS DIVIDED AND ISRAELIS UPROOTED FROM THEIR GOD GIVIN LAND)
ZECHARIAH 14:12-13
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.(1/2-3 BILLION DIE IN WW3)
PSALMS 137:5-6
5 If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.
6 If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.
DANIEL 9:26-27
26 And after threescore and two weeks(62X7=434 YEARS+7X7=49 YEARS=TOTAL OF 69 WEEKS OR 483 YRS) shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;(ROMAN LEADERS DESTROYED THE 2ND TEMPLE) and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.(THERE HAS TO BE 70 WEEKS OR 490 YRS TO FUFILL THE VISION AND PROPHECY OF DAN 9:24).(THE NEXT VERSE IS THAT 7 YR WEEK OR (70TH FINAL WEEK).
27 And he ( THE ROMAN,EU PRESIDENT) shall confirm the covenant (PEACE TREATY) with many for one week:(1X7=7 YEARS) and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,(3 1/2 yrs in TEMPLE SACRIFICES STOPPED) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
JEREMIAH 6:14
14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
JEREMIAH 8:11
11 For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
1 THESSALONIANS 5:3
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
ISAIAH 33:8
8 The highways lie waste, the wayfaring man ceaseth: he hath broken the covenant,(7 YR TREATY) he hath despised the cities, he regardeth no man.(THE WORLD LEADER-WAR MONGER CALLS HIMSELF GOD)
ISAIAH 28:14-19 (THIS IS THE 7 YR TREATY COVENANT OF DANIEL 9:27)
14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
Feiglin: No "Palestinian Nation"
Likud MK says Israel is losing its own legitimacy by acknowledging “Palestinian” rights to the Jews' land.
MK Feiglin-Israel news photo: Flash 90
“The very recognition that there is a 'Palestinian nation' that has rights in our country's heartland is a tragedy in and of itself,” Feiglin wrote Sunday. “When you recognize that a different nation has rights in your land, you lose your own legitimacy. When you surrender your sovereignty on the Temple Mount to the Muslim wakf and then you do not build at all in Jerusalem, which is what is happening now, you lose your legitimacy in Sderot, Tel Aviv and Holon. In universities in London and Paris they are already explaining that there is no legitimacy for a Jewish state anywhere in the world. That is the result of these rounds of talks.
"Rivers of blood"
Feiglin is well-known for his in-your-face brand of politics.On Wednesday, in response to a speech by a left-wing MK, he declared,"I am one of those delusional types you spoke about, I am one of those dreamers, those delusional types, those dangerous extremists.”Feiglin pointed to the Menorah symbol on the Knesset podium and asked: “Do you see this Menorah here? This is the Menorah of the Temple here. See? I do not forget it. It is the reason for my being here. I want it to be rekindled, on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. I am a dangerous delusional dreamer type."I know of another delusional dreamer,” he said, and pointed to the portrait of Theodor Herzl, which also hangs in the plenum. “Do you know what he wrote in his book, Altneuland? That he wants a Temple. What will you say about that? Attempts to establish a two-state solution have exploded in the face of their initiators, Feiglin said, resulting in rivers of blood."The Arab nation has received 22 states,” he went on. “They are not enough for it. Now they are falling apart and you want to establish another state for it?”"This is our Land because G-d gave it to us,” he said. While it is true that Jews – descendants of Isaac, and Arabs – who are descendants of Ishmael, share a common father in Abraham, Feiglin explained, “He bequethed the Land of Israel to the lady of the house, and gave the son of the maidservant gifts and sent him to Saudi Arabia."This is our land, and it is all mine,” he stated. “I am not willing to give up a single grain of sand.”Feiglin said that while the leftists forced Jews out of their homes in exchange for compensation – he is offering Arabs incentives to leave the land without forcing them to do so. The ones who remain, he said, can receive all the rights accorded to residents, without receiving citizenship.
http://youtu.be/IOg5_Sqke94
Abbas threatens ‘all options open’ if US-led diplomatic bid fails
Amid ongoing confusion about terms for new talks, PA president hails UN’s November upgrade of ‘Palestine’ as greatest achievement in years
July 22, 2013, 4:11 pm
5-the time of israel
Palestinian Authority President
Mahmoud Abbas warned in comments published Monday that “all options are
open” if there is no substantive progress in Israeli-Palestinian
negotiations.The
comments, Abbas’s first since US Secretary of State John Kerry
announced on Friday that peace talks would resume after a hiatus of
almost three years, may be an attempt to exert pressure on the US and
Israel to meet Palestinian demands on the terms of formal negotiations.Kerry said Israeli and Palestinian
representatives would meet in Washington within days to resume the
negotiations. “We have reached an agreement that establishes a basis for
resuming negotiations,” he said. But Abbas’s two spokespeople
contradicted the secretary on Sunday, saying in separate interviews that
the path to resumed negotiations had not yet been cleared, and that the
imminent meetings in Washington were aimed only at seeking to finalize
the terms for the new negotiations.
Israel’s leaders, by contrast, have indicated
that they hold to Kerry’s declaration, and are anticipating resumed
negotiations without preconditions.In his
comments, Abbas did not name his other options, but referred to last
year’s upgrade of the Palestinian status at the UN. At the time, the
General Assembly accepted Palestine as a nonmember observer state, in a
largely symbolic gesture that was vehemently opposed by Israel and the
US but overwhelmingly endorsed by the Assembly.Palestinian
officials have said that in the
absence of negotiations with Israel, they would seek further UN
recognition, including membership in UN agencies and possible redress
against Israeli policies at the International Criminal Court.Israel
fears that the Palestinian could make
further gains in international bodies and use those positions to act
against the Jewish state.In his interview with Al Ra’i, Jordan’s
largest pro-government daily, Abbas portrayed last year’s UN recognition
as “the most important achievement for the Palestinian state in the
past years.”“If there is no agreement to push peace
forward, all options are open,” Abbas added, referring to a possible
collapse of Kerry’s mission.The Jordanian newspaper spoke to Abbas on
Friday and did not explain why it only published his comments
Monday.Despite Kerry’s upbeat announcement last week,
it remains unclear if preliminary Israeli-Palestinian meetings in
Washington will lead to a resumption of actual negotiations on the terms
of a Palestinian state alongside Israel.Abbas spokesman Nabil Abu
Rdeneh said Sunday night that the path to formal negotiations with
Israel is still blocked.The Washington talks are meant to “overcome the
obstacles that still stand in the way of launching negotiations,” he
said.Earlier on Sunday, senior Palestine Liberation Organization
official Abed Rabbo, Abbas’s second authorized spokesman,
told Palestinian radio that the PA leadership was currently engaged in
dialogue with the American administration, and would only announce the
resumption of negotiations depending on the outcome of those talks.He said a number of issues were still pending
for talks between Israelis and Palestinians in Washington later in the
week, during which a framework for negotiations would be created, he
added.Gaps remain on three issues Palestinians say
need to be settled before talks can begin — the baseline for border
talks, the extent of a possible Israeli settlement slowdown and a
timetable for releasing long-detained Palestinian prisoners.Kerry’s upbeat statement Friday indicated
these preconditions had been resolved. The Palestinians’ comments since
then indicate that they have not.Israel has been insisting that peace talks
resume without preconditions and that all issues be resolved through
dialogue. Israeli ministers said Saturday that the government had held
firm to its insistence on there being no preconditions for resuming the
negotiations, while indicating Abbas had given ground. According to the
ministers, the talks would resume without Israel agreeing to a
settlement freeze, without Israel agreeing to negotiations for a
Palestinian state on the basis of the pre-1967 lines, and without there
first being a release of longtime Palestinian prisoners. Still, Israel
would release Palestinian prisoners, with Israeli blood on their hands —
up to 350, according to some sources — in phases as the talks
continued, they said.
Unnamed American sources quoted in the Israeli
media on Monday, however, indicated that the talks would indeed resume
shortly — “no later than August 4,” according to a report in the Yedioth
Ahronoth daily. At the start of the first session, this report said,
Kerry would read out his proposal “for solving the Israeli-Palestinian
conflict” and specify the pre-67 lines as the basis for negotiation on
Palestinian statehood. Kerry, it said, would also note that land swaps
based on the pre-67 lines would be on a one-for-one ratio. In other
words, any adjustment to the pre-67 lines enabling Israel to expand
sovereignty into the West Bank would be offset by an equivalent-sized
Israeli territorial concession to the Palestinians from Israeli
sovereign territory.Tzipi Livni, Israel’s chief negotiator, said talks
are “complex” but vital.“There is an opportunity not just to hold a
dialogue with the Palestinians in order to end the conflict but a chance
to form an alliance with the moderates in the region … in order to act
against the extremists,” Livni told members of her Labor Party on
Monday. Both Abbas’s spokesmen say no deal yet to restart talks
Contradicting Kerry, Ramallah says path to negotiations not cleared, insists basis for discussions must be pre-1967 lines
July 22, 2013, 9:25 am
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A second Abbas spokesman, Yasser Abed Rabbo,
had made similar comments earlier Sunday. Abu Rudeineh and Abed Rabbo
are the only Palestinian officials authorized to speak on the matter.Unnamed American sources quoted in the Israeli
media on Monday, however, indicated that the talks would indeed resume
shortly — “no later than August 4,” according to a report in Yedioth
Ahronoth. At the start of the first session, this report said, Kerry
would read out his proposal “for solving the Israeli-Palestinian
conflict” and specify the pre-67 lines as the basis for negotiation on
Palestinian statehood. Kerry, it said, would also note that land swaps
based on the pre-67 lines would be on a one-for-one ratio. In other
words, any adjustment to the pre-67 lines enabling Israel to expand
sovereignty into the West Bank would be offset by an equivalent-sized
Israeli territorial concession to the Palestinians from Israeli
sovereign territory.In Amman on Friday, Kerry announced
that “We have reached an agreement that establishes a basis for
resuming negotiations,” and that he was looking forward “to seeing my
friends from this region in Washington next week” or shortly after. He
specified that top Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat, Justice Minister
Tzipi Livni and Netanyahu’s envoy Isaac Molho would come to the US to
restart the talks.But Abu Rudeineh said for actual peace talks
to resume, Israel must first accept the pre-1967 lines as a baseline for
negotiations on a Palestinian state and halt settlement building —
familiar Palestinian preconditions which Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu has consistently rejected.Abu Rudeineh said the Washington talks are
meant to “overcome the obstacles that still stand in the way of
launching negotiations.”Earlier on Sunday, senior Palestine Liberation
Organization official Abed Rabbo and Fatah Central Committee member
Mohammed Ishtayeh also indicated that the US was premature in announcing
the resumption of peace talks, after a three-year hiatus. Netanyahu
confirmed in a statement on Saturday night and again to his cabinet on
Sunday that the talks were indeed to resume.Abed Rabbo told Palestinian radio that the PA
leadership was currently engaged in dialogue with the American
administration, and would only announce the resumption of negotiations
depending on the outcome of those talks.He said a number of issues were still pending
for talks between Israelis and Palestinians in Washington later in the
week, during which a framework for negotiations would be created, he
added.According to Fatah Central Command member
Abbas Zaki, speaking to Jordan’s Muslim Brotherhood newspaper As-Sabeel,
the Palestinian delegation set to head for Washington later this week
was not tasked with relaunching negotiations. “The visit is nothing more
than consultations; it has nothing to do with launching negotiations,”
he added.All these comments, which directly contradict
Kerry’s upbeat announcement of a Palestinian agreement to resume talks,
reflect an atmosphere of deep Palestinian skepticism regarding the
prospect of negotiations with Israel.An op-ed Sunday in the official Palestinian
daily Al-Ayyam dubbed US Secretary of State John Kerry “a master of
self-deception,” claiming that both sides agreed to meet in Washington
only to please the American official, knowing that nothing of substance
would come of the talks.Another Palestinian official, Fatah Central
Committee member Mohammed Ishtayeh, said in a press release Sunday that
negotiations could only resume following an Israeli commitment to
recognize the 1967 lines as the basis for a future Palestinian state, to
release prisoners, and to freeze building in the settlements.Confusion has grown since Kerry’s
announcement, with some Palestinian officials claiming Kerry gave Abbas a
letter guaranteeing that the talks would be held on the basis of the
pre-1967 lines, and a Western official telling The New York Times on
Saturday that there would be no Israeli recognition of the 1967 lines as
a basis for talks.Israeli ministers said at the weekend
that the government had held firm to its insistence on there being no
preconditions for resuming the negotiations, while Abbas had given
ground. According to the ministers, the talks would resume without
Israel agreeing to a settlement freeze, without Israel agreeing to
negotiations for a Palestinian state on the basis of the pre-1967 lines,
and without there first being a release of longtime Palestinian
prisoners. Still, Israel would release Palestinian prisoners — up to
350, including more than 80 pre-Oslo accords “serious” terrorists,
according to some sources — in phases as the talks continued, they said.
Despite PLO dissent, new talks a likely boon for Abbas
More than an Israeli commitment to the 1967 lines, the PA president wants to see veteran Palestinian prisoners released
July 21, 2013, 8:04 pm
6-the times of israel
One can explain Dahlan’s statement against the
backdrop of the open personal enmity between the two. But he isn’t the
only one expressing such critiques.In the last 48 hours, many senior figures in
the PLO, and even Fatah, have been coming out against Abbas’s surprising
announcement that he would renew negotiations. This is, among other
reasons, because of what is being interpreted as an attempt by Abbas to
ignore the PLO leadership’s decision from last Thursday afternoon that
ruled out the possibility of a return to talks absent an official
American letter sent to both sides defining the 1967 borders as the
framework for talks. This letter was apparently sent only to the Palestinian side, but not the Israeli…
if, that is, it exists at all. The PLO leadership also demanded a
commitments from the United States to an Israeli settlement freeze.
Senior Fatah officials told The Times of
Israel that, midday on Thursday, Abbas succeeded in obtaining the
support of the Fatah Central Committee for the renewal of dialogue.
Almost all the meeting’s participants agreed with Abbas’s position; only
two dissented: Tawfik Tirawi and Othman Abu Arbiye.But afterwards there was a meeting of the PLO
Executive Committee, which comprises representatives from the various
Palestinian factions. Mere minutes before that meeting commenced, news
of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s announcement that Israel would
not agree to talks on the basis of the pre-1967 lines reached the
delegates. This contradicted the position that had been presented in the
Fatah Central Committee’s meeting — that the United States would force
Israel to agree to this demand. The ensuing indignation among the
representatives resulted in the decision at the end of the meeting not
support the US initiative.
On Sunday, in addition, the Popular Front for
the Liberation of Palestine and the Palestinian People’s Party, two of
the PLO member parties, released an announcement denouncing the return
to the negotiating table, calling the decision “a mistake.”Abbas, naturally, expected all the internal
criticism. It seems that his assessment last Friday afternoon, when he
agreed to John Kerry’s proposal to make do with a letter sent just to
the Palestinian side (if that), was that he preferred to expose himself
to a few domestic attacks than be blamed for the failure of the talks
and see American aid suspended.The Palestinian president also knew that Israel would agree to release dozens of veteran prisoners
seen as symbols among the Palestinian public (according to Walla
political reporter Amir Tibon, Israel agreed to release 80 prisoners
incarcerated before the Oslo Accords, out of a list of 104. The others
all hold Israeli citizenship). To Abbas, the equation in these
circumstances is quite clear: Once Israel starts freeing the first
veteran Palestinian prisoners, likely within two weeks (for the Eid
al-Fitr holiday at the end of Ramadan), the criticisms from Dahlan and
others will be drowned out by the cries of joy from the freed prisoners’
families.
Peres, Livni Commend EU Hizbullah Ban as ‘Wise Step’
Pres.
Shimon Peres commended the European Union’s partial ban of the
Hizbullah terrorist organization as a “necessary, wise step.”-By Chana Ya'ar-First Publish: 7/22/2013, 4:48 PM-israelnationalnews
President Shimon Peres
Israel news photo: Flash 90
The EU’s 28 member nations decided in a majority vote that was not unanimous to list the organization as a terrorist entity – a compromise on strong requests from Israel and the U.S. to list the entire group as a terror organization. Peres said in his response to the vote, “Your decision sends a determined message to terrorist organizations and countries that sponsor terrorist groups in their territory.”The president sent a special communique to the member governments and institutions who had attended the meeting in which the vote was cast, expressing Israel’s gratitude for the EU’s support in the fight against terrorism.“This is a necessary, wise step that is aimed at preventing the spread of terrorism that is not just limited to the Middle East, but does damage in every corner of the earth, including European soil,” he wrote. “Unfortunately, we saw this last year after the murderous attack in Burgas, Bulgaria, as well as attempts to harm innocent European civilians in large cities throughout the continent.”Also praising the vote was Justice Minister Tzipi Livni. "Finally, after years of deliberations, the claim that Hizbullah is a legitimate political party has rightfully failed. Now it is clear to the entire world that Hizbullah is a terrorist organization", she said in a statement.Livni's initial statement did not mention the fact that the EU refused to include Hizbullah's political arm in the list of terror groups.Former Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, however, was less than happy with that fact. "As is their habit,” he said, “the Europeans contented themselves with going only half way and reaching a partial and unsatisfactory decision. The military and political arms of Hizbullah are two sides of the same coin,” he explained. Both arms are headed by the same person – Hassan Nasrallah. Portraying the organization as having a “moderate” wing and a “militant” wing is like saying that a cannibal can also be a vegetarian, he added.Arab nations in the Gulf were ahead of the Europe in discussions to label Hizbullah as a terrorist entity, and the nation of Bahrain has already done so, having blacklisted the terrorist group in April.The Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), comprised of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and Oman announced last week that they were willing to blacklist Hizbullah as well, but were examining “correct procedures” on how to officially carry out the measure in order to prevent discrimination against Lebanese citizens who are not members of the terrorist group.Hizbullah operatives have been caught in illegal activities as far away as South America, where the terrorist organization is involved in illicit drug operations to raise money for the guerrilla warfare it wages against Israel.The group has also set up terrorist training bases in the Sinai Peninsula, and has been involved in training operatives in Gaza.
Bennett: Referendum Law or No Budget
Bayit
Yehudi supports Netanayhu initiative to bring any “peace deal” to a
plebiscite. Livni, Lieberman unite in opposition-By Gil Ronen-First Publish: 7/22/2013, 11:59 AM-israelnationalnews
Naftali Bennett-Israel news photo: Flash 90
“No more 'Mitsubishi agreements,'” Bennett proclaimed on his Facebook page. He was referring to the Oslo Accords, which were made possible by the promise of a political position involving a Mitsubishi official car to a corrupt MK in exchange for his support."Let's not be naïve,” he explained. “An agreement, if one is bought, will be a historical crossroad in the history of Zionism, no less. It will have implications for what our security and that of our grandchildren will look like; for the nation's unity on the face of the difficult challenges that will follow such an agreement; for the ideological and value-related DNA of the state of Israel. And above all – our Land was given to us thousands of years ago. It is unacceptable that a political maneuver at a specific point in time will decide its fate.“Only the nation can decide something like this.”
Prime Minister pledges referendum
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu vowed Sunday to bring any agreement he reaches with the Palestinian Authority (PA) to a national referendum.“I believe this is necessary,” he said. “I do not think decision like these can be reached – if an agreement is, indeed, reached – through some kind of coalition-related maneuver. Rather, this thing needs to be brought to the nation, for it to decide.”A Referendum Law mandating plebiscite approval for any ceding of national land already passed in the previous Knesset, but it does not currently apply to Judea and Samaria, which were never officially annexed after their liberation in 1967, and therefore fall outside the current law's parameters.Likud MKs Ofir Akunis and Yariv Levin initiated further legislation turning that law into one of Israel's few "Basic Laws", and Netanyahu would like to see the process of legislation sped up so that the new law can pass before the Knesset goes into its summer recess, next week.However, opposition to the law has been leveled from all sides of the political spectrum.
Justice Minister Tzipi Livni of the left-wing Hatnua party, has said that she will oppose the bill, even though it appears in the coalition agreements she signed. Livni said in April that the Referedum Law is coated by “a veneer of cuteness and hypocrisy”.Livni noted that while the Referendum Law allows the public to disqualify a Knesset decision to cede land, it does not do the opposite. That is, it does not enable the public to say that it supports ceding land, if the Knesset votes against such a deal. She insisted that the only referendum applicable for decisions such as these is the national election.One the other side of the political spectrum, Avigdor Lieberman, who heads the right-wing Yisrael Beytenu faction that merged with Likud in the latest elections, also opposes the referendum."Referendums are a way for decision makers to avoid responsibility,” he explained in April. Referendums should either be held for all major decisions, as in Switzerland, he said, or they should not be used at all.Labor head MK Shelly Yachimovich also opposes the Referendum Law, insisting that “There is not an ounce of democracy behind the idea of holding a selective referendum,” she explained, “only an attempt to torpedo in advance” any peace deal.
MK Zehava Galon of the far-left Meretz party, called the idea of a plebiscite to approve the ceding of land "cowardly," and added that “if a government has the authority to make war, it can certainly approve a peace agreement and make peace.” The Israeli public, and especially the nationalist sector, view government-negotiated peace deals with great suspicion, ever since the Oslo Accords were approved in the Knesset in 1993 by a razor-thin majority, as a result of corrupt political wheeling and dealing by the Labor government that involved the "Mitsubishi" scandal mentioned by Bennett, among other political bribes to certain Knesset members.When Ariel Sharon came up with the Disengagement Plan in 2003, he brought it to an internal Likud referendum – and then split Likud and formed a new party when the idea was voted down in that referendum.At a meeting of the Bayit Yehudi faction Monday, Bennett said that the while negotiations were inevitable, major withdrawals from Judea and Samaria were not. “We cannot escape the likelihood that negotiations will take place, but we will be following them closely,” he said. “We oppose the establishment of a terrorist state that will threaten Israel, and we oppose the handing over of Israeli land to our enemies, period.”Earlier, Bennett expressed strong support for the idea of a referendum on any proposed deal with the PA, in the face of opposition to the idea by various MKs, notable Tzippy Livni and Avigdor Lieberman. Addressing them, Bennett said that a referendum was the only way to avoid a dangerous split in the nation between supporters and opponents of a deal. “You who oppose the referendum say that 'the people' are with you,” and would agree to withdrawals. “If so, I ask you – what are you afraid of? Why not have a referendum?”
